Monday, September 20, 2004

Period Techniques, Sidesword, and a thank you to John

First off, thank you for actually having an opinion and sharing it with me and anyone else who reads this thing. If more people actually thought about things like you do then the issue of period techniques would not be an issue. You actually think about this stuff, and I think that is great. You also study them for the best reason I've heard anyone say.

People do what they have to do to survive a fight. I study period manuals because a: I enjoy it, and b: using a coherent, fully developed system of swordsmanship based on solid biomechanics, geomtry and relaitvely universal principles makes more sene to me that re-inventing the wheel. Not to mention that it works really, really, really well for some of us. *g*
The problem is that many people aren't as smart as you are. These are the dolts that I get annoyed with. There are people out there that like you said tend to think that by looking at the woodcuts they will be able to string together what was actually done in period. Perhaps, but that is like looking at Graecan urns and seeing them in lewd sex acts and trying to recreate them, which even the Cirque du Soliel performers would have issues with. (By the way... saw Varekai last night and it was Friggin amazing. Go see it! Go see any of them, but this one was truly magical)

Like any marshal art that has katas, those katas work great if someone were to attack you in just the same way as your kata told showed you, but lets face facts it don't work like that. You are supposed to use that knowledge and adapt. Period manuals do just that as well. The thing that constantly irks me are those that think that if it isn't written then it isn't period and I just have to smack them in the head. If you find a real cure for them, then please let me know.

I had a great conversation with someone this past weekend about sidesword. He wanted to know what was happening with the whole "sidesword experiment." I really don't have the facts of what will happen even though I talk to the Society marshal quite a bit. I do know that there will be some updates to the society marshallate pages very soon. Mainly dealing with blade allowences. (My guess is that more will be allowed, nothing will be removed so its good stuff)

Anyway, getting back to the sidesword question. There are 2 main schools of thought. One says that it will be made legal soon, and this will be great for the style. Another says they hope it doesn't leave the "experimental" stages. I can see both sides of the argument. On the one hand it would be great to actually have competitions where sidesword techniques can be used, and thus tounies won. On the other hand it would take away from the research aspect that people are doing on it, and focus it more on the lets just see who can hit who first.

Both are valid arguments, but I think that it woul dbe good to at the very least have some tournaments that are sidesword so that we can see what does truly happen, even if it is a "sidesword demo" After all, if you don't like the form, you don't have to do it.

I may have more to say, but I'm not really ina rant mood about this one, because I think it is actually going well. I do however want to rant about something else, so I will go back to this soon.

Jumping back one more time, to John.

I'm surprised it was only 3 times before I woke up. I generally don't like to do that. However if you made me pay attention then you've done something that many have tried, but often fail at. I will try to make it out to Estrella this year, In fact I am looking to get to AZ sometime in November to visit family. I would love to go to an event on that side of the country if you know of a good one.

Catch ya later.
-Gypsy Boy


At September 20, 2004 at 5:54 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"After all, if you don't like the form, you don't have to do it."
Sort of like the schlager-preferred that we've been doing these past couple of reigns?
Of course if I had time to actually study and practice, I'd be doing better - or could manage to NOT take my inhaler out of my fencing bag so that when I need it, it's there, and I wouldn't have to make people stop fighting(grrr) if I chose to go home and get it. Guess what? Didn't want to deal with making people stop fighting, so I only managed one set of fights yesterday. As it was, I suppose I temporarily bent the rules when I wandered off the practice field to see if Julie had an inhaler in her car. My rant for the day :)

At September 29, 2004 at 6:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm surprised it was only 3 times before I woke up. I generally don't like to do that. However if you made me pay attention then you've done something that many have tried, but often fail at.

-Like I said - I pezzed you. It gets hard to ignore *g*

I will try to make it out to Estrella this year, In fact I am looking to get to AZ sometime in November to visit family. I would love to go to an event on that side of the country if you know of a good one.

- Let me know when you'll be here and we can find
- something. We have a sizeable War Practice in
- November down near Tucson (the 13th/14th, I think)
- and if you come to Estrella, you'll find me. You can
- reach me thru a holler to the Atlantian rapier list -
- I lurk. ;-)

John Patrick

At February 13, 2005 at 8:40 PM, Blogger Ravyn said...

i fence period for shows and such, and i fence epee as per the national fencing swords, and i do have a good friend who fences your input? --people are dumb, if you have read and studied, you have the right to use what you've learned...

At March 23, 2005 at 1:30 PM, Blogger Lord Runolfr said...

Research and authenticity is fun and all (I'm studying Swetnam myself), but I'm quite aware that nothing really goes by the book. Nonetheless, incorporating some of that background information has improved my fighting (although I still have to train myself to do that cross-body block with dagger properly to stop ape-armed muties like you).

-- Runolfr (who got stabbed by Gypsy Boy repeatedly at GW14)

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